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Post by peach38336 on Nov 27, 2013 11:02:15 GMT
Hi all! Still new to this site but I have a question about varnishing. I've just about finished two AD-4s in Humbrol 11 Silver. Should I varnish and if so what is better matt or satin? Excuse the ignorance as I am a "new" modeller (having stopped 35 years ago and now re-starting).
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Post by peach38336 on Nov 29, 2013 15:43:17 GMT
Blimey, no takers! I joined this forum thinking that the IPMS held a wealth of data amongst people willing to share.... Maybe I picked a bad week to ask! . There must suerly be someone out there who can offer some advice? .... pppllllleeeeeeaaaaassssseeeeee THANK YOU
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Post by The Hooded Claw on Nov 29, 2013 17:00:06 GMT
Any silver/natural metal finish when varnished will change, No11 is by definition satin so if you're happy with the finish I'd say no to a top coat varnish. If you want to see wha teffect it will have apply an area of your chosen paint to a piece of scrap plastic and then varnish as wished and see what it does.
At the end of the day, you choose to finish your model as you wish.
THC
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Post by rgriffs on Nov 30, 2013 11:27:33 GMT
good advice from the claw, i always try out new things on a piece of primed plasticard, write what it is on the back and keep them for future reference. works great for me.
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Post by peach38336 on Dec 2, 2013 9:24:27 GMT
great advice! Thank you! My thought was about long term protection and also to get the decals and matt painted areas "in sync" with the rest of the model which, as you say, is satin already. Having said that this was my first attempt at airbrushing and the Humbrol 11 has come out quite rough and sand-like. It is consistent throughout but has that dull aluminium look about it (which I like!).
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Post by MikeC on Dec 3, 2013 6:36:56 GMT
As a general rule I will use a matt varnish on natural metal. It seals in everything like paint, decals, any pastel weathering, etc, and it gives an overall consistency to the finish. Why matt? Having seen any number of natural metal aircraft in the static parks at the US Base airshows in the 60s/70s, I remember them as very matt. Similarly, some London tube lines used mainly unpainted stock I believe, and that was similarly matt.
I'm not a fan of the highly polished effect some modellers achieve, for two reasons: firstly I can't do it! Secondly, it looks wrong to me. A highly polished P-51, for example, says to me "warbird" rather than "wartime".
Gloss or even satin on silver looks to me like lacquered bare metal or silver paint - and some aircraft were painted like that. Depends on your subject.
Hope this is helpful, and do show us a picture or two when you've finished the models.
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Post by peach38336 on Dec 4, 2013 14:09:39 GMT
Thanks Mike. I think I'll try Humbrol's Matt Cote.Would that be appropriate? (I won't hold you to it! ) thanks. M
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Post by MikeC on Dec 4, 2013 15:07:58 GMT
Quite possibly; I've not used that one so can't really comment.
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Post by peach38336 on Dec 5, 2013 10:44:36 GMT
Chaps. I've hit a problem - and remember that this is my first ever attempt at airbrushing and I am a returning modelling having not lifted a brush or tube of cement for more than 35 years! I have my two models sprayed with Humbrol 11 enamel. It has given a matt finish (should be brighter and satin?). The issue is that despite using Micro Set and Sol (all new to me) some decals are lifting. Where am I going wrong? I read that decals ideally need a gloss surface to adhere to. Therefore should I be gloss varnishing first, then decals, then matt varnish?
I'd appreciate your collective guidance. Thanks.
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Post by rgriffs on Dec 5, 2013 15:29:13 GMT
decals should always be applied over a gloss varnish or future ( see other posts about future floor polish ), as you have read. this assists in getting rid of the air from between the decal and the model, also causes a silvering effect when the decal dries out. a sheen/satin/matt varnish should be applied to get your final look after decaling. don't dispair, a lot of people have perfected this process, many things have moved on in the time you were away from the hobby.
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Post by peach38336 on Dec 13, 2013 11:53:10 GMT
Hi all. So, I've varnish with Humbrol Glosscote and applied decals. What is the recommended time to wait before varnishing again? Excuse the stupid questions but when I was modelling a long way back varnishing was no something I ever did. Thanks! M PS: when applying the decals I used Micro Set (and then Sol) but it simply ran off of the varnished surface!!
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Post by peach38336 on Dec 19, 2013 12:37:12 GMT
MikeC, As promised a couple of images of the completed models. Be gentle with me as these are the first I've done since the late 1970s, and my first (almost) airbrush experience! One is marked as TR-KMP/126956 of the Gabon Presidential Guard, flown by Jacques Borne, who I've been corresponding with. This machine is now in the Nation Museum of Naval Aviation, Florida, after being impounded by the US Customs after import from France. The other is 127888/12-LE of the EAA 1/21 French Air Force based in Djibouti. I have marked it as it was when it visited Nairobi in August 1967 as part of a four-ship group. It is relatively unusual in that it has red/white prop tips, and not of the USN style. 127888 is now in a museum in Kalamazoo, after many years as a target tug in the US. These models took a lot of research and re-shaping to get them as per the French machines, particularly the underwing pylons, the side doors (crudely marked ), Mk8 and Mk12 drop tanks, various aerials, etc! M Attachments:
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Post by MikeC on Dec 20, 2013 6:10:36 GMT
Merci Monsieur, very nice indeed.
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Post by peach38336 on Dec 20, 2013 17:34:14 GMT
Thank you Mike. I'm tempted to try something else now!
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Post by peach38336 on Jan 10, 2014 13:08:08 GMT
Well, I've decided to try another and so the F-84F Thunderstreak 1/72 Italeri or Airfix? thread will cover it.
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