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Post by okdoky on Jan 4, 2008 13:39:44 GMT
Hi folks
To start the new year, I as newbie on here on the forum, was being asked if I would think about a possible group build subject, but since I ain't yet a member, it would have to be simply a group build suggestion and not a SIG (Maybe it is time I enquired as to what it cost to become IPMS).
But here is my suggestion for what it is worth anyway!!!
As I am Ex Royal Logistics Corps (TA) I suppose this is where I would like to see a group build go.
Very interested in an international Military Logistics vehicles group build that would cover wheeled transport and support vehicles without tracks from vans to trucks including tankers, stores, transporters and engineers vehicles for Army Navy or Air Force. No turreted armoured cars, artillary tractors or self propelled gunney things or tracked vehicles unless it is being carried or being recovered by the Logistics vehicle as the load. If it floated too, ok, eg Stalwart, DUKW and other amphibs or bridging wheeled trucks.
Would love to include the DROPS as it is the main build for me at the moment so it would be unfair not to include work in progress. I am thinking Scratch, part scratch or out of the box as long as it can trace a route to use by a military group including UN therefor Camo colour not obligatory.
Things like Fatty's Eager Beaver and crew cab vans like the type that are used on Airfields for movement of kit, Navy stores vehicles, etc.
Period from VJ day to present which I suppose gives scope for WW2 vehicles in use post war units only.
Scales and type of kit materials very open including customizing diecasts (repaints and some cut and shuts involved to make them interesting).
As for time frames I would love to be encouraged to get a build completed for a set time, but it would need to be a reasonable time as life tends to get in the way of our fun. I would have to go with the flow with whatever is the norm here.
It would be hoped that this is a fun build for the pride of taking part and learning from others as I am still doing. Also to get an appreciation of the wide and varied number and types of vehicles used by the British Army's RLC (previously RCT) the Navy, and the Airforce to keep the wheels of war and peace going. Also to see what other nations have as their equivelants for their various services.
Is that too wide and varied or too narrow? Never had to think about this sort of thing before. If it is a pile of poo don't hold back! As I said it is my first and only suggestion so far.
What do people think?
Nige
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2008 15:07:15 GMT
Ayup Nige,
You've outlined a superb idea for a SIG, and I think it would be popular. Why not fly the idea to the general populace here on the forum?
I've contacted the Liaison Officer, Rob Monfea on your behalf to ask if he would place your idea in the latest Branch / SIG newsletter, I'll also have a word with him at the next meeting later this month. For a SIG to be made official, there has to be a core of 5 IPMS members, one of which must be the SIG leader. If this idea gets off the ground, I'll certainly join the SIG and I can think of a few others who would also join.
To find out about IPMS (UK) Membership, have a look on the IPMS (UK) web site using the link at the top of the page and click onto the membership link. Should you need any further information, please contact me, I've sent you a PM with my phone number.
Best of luck Nige.
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Post by Lonewolf on Jan 4, 2008 18:54:14 GMT
Err hang on doesn't this already come under 'Trucks' . We don't need a second SIG, just include it in ours. With the non-belligerent rider of course. Wolfie.
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Post by barv on Jan 4, 2008 23:06:31 GMT
Would think Nige is looking at a * Logistics* (SIG_build)--which widens the scope to a lot of other types of vehicles ---including things like Fork lifts and Rolling Loaders ....reading his mind possibly Engineer types So a "Build " could be a possible aye BARV
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Post by okdoky on Jan 4, 2008 23:17:34 GMT
Hi there Steve
I hoped that this would appeal to your area of expert work, and I am sure you could think of hundreds of vehicles that will fill this category. I think it is rich with potential to see loads of lovely builds.
Glad to see you would be up for it. And looking forward to chatting again in Perth.
Howard Whitehead and Peter White have come up with the goods to help me out with one of my potential builds that I would love to get going with very soon on this group build.
All the best
Nige
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Post by Lonewolf on Jan 4, 2008 23:27:23 GMT
There's SIGS and there's group builds, they are different animals.
Logistics, fork lifts, loads, low loaders etc comes under Truck SIG whether military or not. A group build does not.
Lonewolf.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2008 23:53:22 GMT
I think we need to clarify exactly what Nige is proposing. If it's simply a group build, then that's easily arranged, I can add the appropriate slot and folks can join in as they would for any other build, but if it's a SIG, then that would be totally different. If I'm correct in the way I've read the post, the proposal is for a SIG, and I believe BARV has summed it up nicely, a 'Logistics' SIG, which to me, is a military biased SIG, and would not therefore, be part of the Truck SIG. As a personal view, I think there's room for both.
Comments folks?
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Post by okdoky on Jan 5, 2008 0:09:01 GMT
Hi there
I think the distinction between this and the Trucks build is that this would cover the smaller car based vans, utility vehicles, trolly tugs, aircraft tugs, as well as military truck based vehicles that are specific to a military Logistics role that some truckers might feel, as I have heard from some people invade into what is supposed to be more of the civilian side of a Truck forum.
I personally would be happy for the group build to still come under the broader umbrella of the Truck forum as you can see I enjoy and appreciate both the military and civillian aspects of the forum.
This build would enable a military slot to focus on a comparison of vehicles used in the Logistics role by different nations. If someone put in a black Ford Ranger with a recruiting trailer behind with TA logos all over, some Truckies might not think it appropriate to put in the Trucks forum. Same with the various cars and minibuses that were used for general runabouts and for the CO of the unit.
What do people think?
Nige
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2008 0:21:44 GMT
Ah! ... so for the moment Nige, you're proposing a group build rather than a SIG?
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Post by okdoky on Jan 5, 2008 0:52:15 GMT
Hi there
Whatever floats peoples boats most and allows the flexibility to build up a model range over a reasonable time.
I am the newbie here so will go with this wherever it allows me to be able to join in.
Nige
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2008 0:57:56 GMT
OK Nige, outline your build parameters such as scratch build / oob, truck / specialist vehicle, scale, start / finish date etc; and we'll open the door to comment, wouldn't mind having a go at a 1/24 UN truck.
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Post by Lonewolf on Jan 5, 2008 7:09:29 GMT
In my view, all of the above comes under 'trucks' or 'haulage' or 'logistics'.
Just look on the sides of many road vehicles, and aircraft tugs, CD Vans as well as Landrovers have been featured in TMW already.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2008 11:31:49 GMT
Chris, as I understand it, the build would take place within the 'Truck' board here on the forum, but would be a separate theme, ie - 'Military' rather than just a continuation of the Truck build. This may interest modellers who would not build a civilian truck but would build a military vehicle.
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Post by Fatty on Jan 5, 2008 16:15:29 GMT
sounds good, count me in
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Post by okdoky on Jan 5, 2008 16:56:56 GMT
Hi Nick, Chris and All That sounds like a reasonable compromise to me, as long as people can accept that we might see the odd vehicle or two that are definitely not a truck! Title International Military Logistics vehicles group build. Build parameters Would cover wheeled transport and support vehicles without tracks from vans to trucks including tankers, stores, transporters and engineers vehicles for Army Navy or Air Force from any nation. If it floated too, ok, eg Stalwart, DUKW and other amphibs or bridging wheeled trucks. No turreted armoured cars, artillary tractors or self propelled gunney things or tracked vehicles unless it is being carried or being recovered by the Logistics vehicle as the load. As this is to include my own DROPS truck under construction already, this build group is to include work in progress. I am thinking Scratch, part scratch or out of the box as long as it can trace a route to use by a military group including UN therefor Camo colour not obligatory. Since it is a Logistics group build it widens the scope to a lot of other types of vehicles ---including things like Fork lifts, Rolling Loaders, the smaller car based vans, utility vehicles, trolly tugs, aircraft tugs, as well as military truck based vehicles that are specific to a military Logistics role, even the various cars and minibuses that were used for general runabouts and for the CO of the unit. In Cambodia, I suppose this could even have included a pair of bikes tied together (there's a quick, cheeky build for someone to think about). Period from VJ day to present which I suppose gives scope for WW2 vehicles in use post war units only. Scales and type of kit materials very open including customizing diecasts (repaints and some cut and shuts involved to make them interesting). As this is a FUN BUILD and a way of passing on other people's personal experience and research into Logistics vehicles throughout the world, it would be nice to get a pic or two of the real thing or a link to the websites that give a bit of history behind the vehicle or that nations Military Logistics capability through the post war period. This build would enable a military slot to focus on a comparison of vehicles used in the Logistics role by different nations. As for time frame Time of posting this (unless Nick has some behind the scenes approval or setting up to do) to last till next January 1st. It would be hoped that if this is a successful category that it might be allowed to continue over a longer period as there are lots of vehicles and variations that I have seen on various websites and it would be nice to see a lot of these modelled together. Nick, does there need to be a separate location for under construction and completed models? Anything I have missed? ? Nige
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