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Post by bluebell on Nov 12, 2012 12:18:22 GMT
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I'm about to court controversy here I'm sure but I was a bit disappointed to see that the 'best in show' award went to a sci-fi model. I thought that 'scale modelling' was all about reproducing miniature versions of things that actually exist(ed) in reality. To award the 'best in show' to a model that is a figment of somebody's imagination, and therefore who can say that it is inaccurate, seems to rather undermine those models that the builders have sweated blood to ensure are exact replicas. Don't get me wrong, the steam monobike thingy was a fantastic achievement, but a scale model? I don't think so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2012 12:37:51 GMT
So what is the point of the modeller entering the competition, to be classed as an also ran? If a modeller enters the competition he / she is, unless I'm being a little naive, placing that model in the competition in the hope that it will win and not just for the experience of entering. We will not all agree on every judgment in the competition, but to get to the 'Best in Show' it will have to win its class, then be placed amongst the best models in every class. It will then be voted on by the judges and as such will have deserved its status as 'Best in show'
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Post by peebeep on Nov 12, 2012 15:10:30 GMT
I'm not a fan of the genre, but IMO the best in show was a worthy winner, it's an outstanding piece of work.
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Post by John Tapsell on Nov 12, 2012 15:34:34 GMT
Bluebell - are you seriously suggesting that IPMS should vet competition entries on the basis of how 'real' they are and exclude those that are imaginary?
Model making is a broad church and we welcome modellers from all genres, including science fiction and fantasy (and also 'paper panzers', proposed aircraft designs etc). To allow such models to compete in their own classes but then prevent them from competing for the top trophies is discrimination, pure and simple. IPMS isn't that sort of organisation.
Each category is judged by specialist judges in that Category (aircraft, military, figures etc) to decide on a 'best aircraft', 'best figure' and so on. The Best in Show is judged from the 7-8 Category Winners. Every judge in the room has the opportunity to vote freely on that choice.
For this year's Best of Show to have been chosen, judges from the other category areas will have chosen it over the model that topped their own specialist area. Thus, judges used to dealing with 'real' subjects preferred this model overall.
Is it everyone's cup tea? Of course not, but that's the nature of entering a competition. As an armour modeller I'd love to see an AFV walk off with Best of Show, but I'd rather see a high quality model get the credit it deserves over my personal bias.
Regards, John
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Post by dvenn on Nov 12, 2012 16:05:08 GMT
Not having seen the model or its competion, i have to assume that it was quite rightly in the judges opinion The Best In Show, it really is a breath of fresh air to see something other than a Second world war aircraft or tank getting the plaudits, maybe its proved that we have moved on and have realised we are in the 21st century, im longing for the day when a car or motorcycle takes the honours, in the meantime congratulations to the winner.
Dave
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Post by dvenn on Nov 12, 2012 16:22:44 GMT
Having just seen the photo, in a word Stunning! Dave
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Post by Martin H on Nov 12, 2012 16:28:26 GMT
Having just seen the photo, in a word Stunning! Dave I totally agree. about time something a little bit different won
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Post by fastcat on Nov 12, 2012 16:40:29 GMT
Well I don't know who entered it but it was a beautifully executed piece of work and well worthy of it's award so please don't spoil his or her pleasure in winning.
There's nothing in the rules of the Society or the competition that excludes such a subject nor should there be. If it's eligible for entry in any of the classes then it should also be eligible for consideration as National Champion otherwise it would be grossly unfair. And it is the International Plastic Modellers Society after all, the word "scale" isn't in there even though it appears in the Show title.
Maybe we should all be a bit more tolerant of other folks interests and a little less grudging of praise when it's due.
Congratulations to the judges for having the courage of their convictions and for a refreshing choice of winner. And many congratulations to the modeller for a wonderful piece of work. Maybe one day a car will make it. Already happened in the case of Junior National Champion! Well done to all who helped make it another great show. Dave A.
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Post by tony on Nov 12, 2012 17:56:50 GMT
Bluebell and myself had this discussion on Sunday morning at the competition desk also present was the chief steward and both of us could not understand what point was being made. as the competition has a Sci-Fi and Fantasy category along with all the other genres of scale modelling why should this category not be eligible for the award as national champion! surely that is discriminating against that category... and as Martin has said about time something different won.
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Post by NoelSmith on Nov 12, 2012 18:03:53 GMT
Considering the genre of 2012's Best of Show it was probably inevitable that it would court a bit of controversy amongst some folk. We are a general model making society after all, so it would be grossly unfair to discriminate and dismiss Sci Fi and Fantasy simply because the subject is of an imaginative rather than factual nature. Sci Fi and Fantasy is an IPMS category and has the right to be judged fairly along with everything else. My car model made it to the top table, and yes I was disappointed that it did not make best of show. But the judges do have to make a decision at the end of the day. The model that they judged to be best of show thoroughly deserved to win. It was a brilliantly executed piece of model making, and highly imaginative using Victorian engineering concepts and principles in a Sci Fi model. All that remains now is that I had better get my head down and try to build a better model for next year.
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Post by deegee on Nov 12, 2012 20:38:28 GMT
I could not believe the standard of the models and some were phenomenal, and I think it must be a nigh on impossible task to pick an overall winner with the quality on display.
The Best in Show certainly was a fantastic piece of work, and also well done to Noel as being a car builder myself I would like to see a car as Best in Show (hopefully one day one of mine, but I doubt it!).
My personal preference for the top award would have been the scratch built navy ship; 20 years to build it, yikes! Whoever it was built by, my hat's off to you, what a model!
One thing I would like to point out is that there seemed less room on the tables than when it was in Hall 3, especially the civilian vehicles but maybe there were more entrants than in 2011. I cannot be certain, but I think a chap turned up with a 1/12 F1 car but there was no room for it.
Anyway, well done to all entrants, stunning work.
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Post by colinburgess on Nov 13, 2012 5:39:51 GMT
Firstly I have to agree with those above who looked a the quality of the modelling and the execution of the model. Firstly as piece of workmanship it is superb all be it I have only one photograph to base my assumtions upon. Secondly as a diorama and this is seldom achieved as this one did, in that it tells a story or leads you into a storey. Thirdly the monocycle has it's feet firmly based in history as well as the future The design of moncycles powered by all sorts of engines date back to the early days of the motocycle and then if you care to watch Men in Black 3 it has it's place in the future. You can if your interest allows search on Google and then take delight in the may Youtube video's. As for not liking the result, shame! My gast was well and truely flabbered. Congratulations to the very worthy winner.
Colin
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Post by chadders on Nov 13, 2012 11:14:27 GMT
Hi I'm about to court controversy here I'm sure but I was a bit disappointed to see that the 'best in show' award went to a sci-fi model. I thought that 'scale modelling' was all about reproducing miniature versions of things that actually exist(ed) in reality. To award the 'best in show' to a model that is a figment of somebody's imagination, and therefore who can say that it is inaccurate, seems to rather undermine those models that the builders have sweated blood to ensure are exact replicas. Don't get me wrong, the steam monobike thingy was a fantastic achievement, but a scale model? I don't think so. That has to be the most childish, puerile, rediculous statement I have EVER had the misfortune to read. This is the International PLASTIC Modellers Sociaty. Any model made of plastic has the right to win the award as best of show. We have sci fi SIGs, what if SIGS, are you seriously trying to tell me that those people who enjoy making those models don't have a right to enter the competion because they might win!!! If you thought "scale modelling was all about reproducing miniature versions of things that actually existed", then I'm afraid you are sadly mistaken. ALL modelling has to be a scale of some sort, even if that "scale is in the mind of the builder, it's still got to have scale. I suppose you think the Homer Simpson models on display weren't scale models, or the fantastic works of the Beyond The Box SIG weren't scale models. How rediculous.
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Post by phantomdriver on Nov 13, 2012 11:53:06 GMT
I'm with Chadders..... I've seen the pics of this Steampunk entry,and it's MARVELLOUS! Well deserved, and a refreshing piece of work...
Bluebell, get a life...
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Post by The Hooded Claw on Nov 13, 2012 13:47:20 GMT
Hi I'm about to court controversy here I'm sure but I was a bit disappointed to see that the 'best in show' award went to a sci-fi model. I thought that 'scale modelling' was all about reproducing miniature versions of things that actually exist(ed) in reality. To award the 'best in show' to a model that is a figment of somebody's imagination, and therefore who can say that it is inaccurate, seems to rather undermine those models that the builders have sweated blood to ensure are exact replicas. Don't get me wrong, the steam monobike thingy was a fantastic achievement, but a scale model? I don't think so. That has to be the most childish, puerile, rediculous statement I have EVER had the misfortune to read. This is the International PLASTIC Modellers Sociaty. Any model made of plastic has the right to win the award as best of show. We have sci fi SIGs, what if SIGS, are you seriously trying to tell me that those people who enjoy making those models don't have a right to enter the competion because they might win!!! If you thought "scale modelling was all about reproducing miniature versions of things that actually existed", then I'm afraid you are sadly mistaken. ALL modelling has to be a scale of some sort, even if that "scale is in the mind of the builder, it's still got to have scale. I suppose you think the Homer Simpson models on display weren't scale models, or the fantastic works of the Beyond The Box SIG weren't scale models. How rediculous. May we assume that he struck a nerve there then Mark. THC
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