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Post by COLIN SHIPTON-KNIGHT on Feb 4, 2009 19:59:27 GMT
Dear All, Just noticed another build of the PR 9, have a look. www.geoffcoughlin.com/page19.htmHowever the two things I would point out are, no correction of the fin, so far.... No correction of the outer wing flap/wing profile.... But it's neat work, I have to admit. lovely work in the cockpit. Colin PS, more is coming on my build, just got the 'other' life getting in the way and saving photos of progress to upload. Colin
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Post by bigredzed on Feb 5, 2009 20:20:46 GMT
I like his cockpit, very nice. As he mentioned though, he got it wrong and I reckon Im heading that way as well. I cant figure out what goes where as the destructions are not clear at all. 45 minutes later........ I got it. ;D Now to find space for the 100g (I think 200g will do it) of crushed air rifle pellets. !
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Post by COLIN SHIPTON-KNIGHT on Feb 6, 2009 20:47:56 GMT
Dennis,
Having 'enjoyed' the two builds so far, my thoughts have turned to number three.....
I was planning upon doing it as a Grey/Green/MSG colour scheme, but having a look at the other couple of threads that concern building the kit, am taken with the idea of doing the third one in Silver........... has something of a 'Presence' about it.............
Knowing that these aircraft are something you are familiar with, and not knowing what you want to model..?
I was wondering whether you have any thoughts? Would not like to build what you are doing. Would like to build something that compliments it.
And lastly, but not least.... Wondering whether you have any more photos you would be willing to share, to give me and others inspiration for their models........?
love to hear your thoughts.
Colin
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Post by sloegin57 on Feb 7, 2009 17:23:13 GMT
Dennis, Having 'enjoyed' the two builds so far, my thoughts have turned to number three..... I was planning upon doing it as a Grey/Green/MSG colour scheme, but having a look at the other couple of threads that concern building the kit, am taken with the idea of doing the third one in Silver........... has something of a 'Presence' about it............. Knowing that these aircraft are something you are familiar with, and not knowing what you want to model..? I was wondering whether you have any thoughts? Would not like to build what you are doing. Would like to build something that compliments it. And lastly, but not least.... Wondering whether you have any more photos you would be willing to share, to give me and others inspiration for their models........? love to hear your thoughts. Colin The two that I will be doing will be both from the sixties; XH167, the original camo aircraft and one of the 13 Sqdn aircraft with the short lived numerical code on the upper nose on an aluminium o/a background. I have illustrated both in a separate thread. I think that I have solved the problem of the vortex generators but I need to tidy up my technique before I publish any pics. It's fiddly but do-able. I am also working on the tip tanks but have only got as far as a plasticine mock-up. The tanks are a major problem for modellers, even more so than the vortex generators. It has taken me a while to work out the best way to cast them in resin due to the fineness of the rear fairing. My theoretical notes are on paper but I have yet to put theory into practice due to other projects. Another major problem for anyone attempting an early PR9 is the complete lack of accurate fin decals. I have examined the ones produced, including the kit decals and they are all wrong. I have a feeling that this kit is going to be a god-send for the after-market trade and I am debating whether or not to set myself up in business - hence - not a lot of plastic chopping lately (but you don't want to know what I am going to do the Mach2's Valiant - sorry ! - going off topic!!) Dennis
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Post by johnsheehan on Feb 7, 2009 19:00:17 GMT
You go for it Dennis! I'll have one of what ever you do. John
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Post by COLIN SHIPTON-KNIGHT on Feb 7, 2009 20:12:30 GMT
Dennis, Have to say, have been 'advertising' what I have of PR 9 decals, which is all of them...(so far). And I have had one reply, asking only for 13 Sqn fin markings... That's it. Makes me wonder how much of a market there would be for yet more....? What I have seen so far is people using the kit decals... Bizarrely, while looking at 13 Sqn fin markings. Discovered that Matchbox 1/72 were the same size and standard of Extra decal ones in 1/48.. Wing tanks, look forward to anything you do... I will have a pair. Better be quick getting it on the 'market'... Vortex generators, again I am interested in anything you do... Colin
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Post by COLIN SHIPTON-KNIGHT on Feb 7, 2009 21:14:02 GMT
Dear All, Moving towards priming the aircraft, prior to painting. Have added the various aerials and sensors appropriate for XH134 in the retirement scheme. Filled so many 'trenches' that Airfix have provided as panel lines.... Have a bit of an issue about this on all models, let alone the Canberra. Unless they are very fine, then I take the view that they are worthless... If you are to stand about 10 metres from an aircraft, about the distance you would at an air display. Then I would defy you to spot any panel lines..! At all..! They are only 1-2mm in the real world. On a model at 3 feet, scale distance, well, you would not see them... Stopping 'ranting', the Canberra.. Filled numerous unused panel lines, But left panel lines of those panels that are there, and really concern real panels. Added details, The rear fuselage, and one of the Canberra's more subtle features. Later versions with more powerful engines could have suffered with noise 'vibration', so thicker skins were added to the rear fuselage, to prevent this. I have seen various methods of replicating this. Most involve adding skins made of plastic card to the rear fuselage. Now in the real world, these skins were about 5mm thick, so in modelling terms are quite thin. In reality they are difficult to see but quite distinctive, see previous post by John Sheehan with photo. My way of doing this is not by adding card, but to mask the area, prior to spraying 2-3 layers of primer. This should, when done, provide enough of a difference to show the panel, but keep it in scale... Well here's photos of the masking, not hugely difficult with reference to photo's, the plans can be a little misleading. Port. Starboard. After 2-3 layers of primer, removing the tape and then sanding the resultant results, should in theory leave the model with realistic, scale wise 'panels' that are accurate to scale. That is the challenge, and the results hopefully I shall post tomorrow night. Colin
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Post by COLIN SHIPTON-KNIGHT on Feb 8, 2009 19:30:02 GMT
Dear All, Been spraying primer, not only on the Canberra.... Photo of primer sprayed 3-4 times over the masked off areas, If you look closely, you can see the tape still there. Pull the tape off, and you can see the required panel lines highlighted, but also lines that are not. This need careful sanding to get rid of the unwanted lines, and yet retain the panel lines that are required. Bearing in mind that we are only talking of a few layers of paint. Sanding done, and a layer of primer after the sanding. The finished panel line outline that is required gradually appears... You do have to look carefully, the photo only just does it justice, it is quite subtle, but just what I want to represent the strengthening panel aft of the wing. Photo of the real thing. Model now primed, and ready for some serious paintwork... Port side nose. Starboard side nose, One thing that is not obvious now, is the fact that the Navigators windows/day light indicators have been lowered. Something that to me, being able to see it in the flesh, feel that the nose looks so much better than the kit as out of the box... Next stage is to start spraying the airframe colours of Light Aircraft Grey/Hemp and also the Medium Sea Grey Fin, not looking forward to that.. Next instalment probably in about a week. Real life going to get in the way of the hobby, again.... Colin
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Post by reccephreak on Feb 8, 2009 21:16:43 GMT
Dear All, The rear fuselage, and one of the Canberra's more subtle features. Later versions with more powerful engines could have suffered with noise 'vibration', so thicker skins were added to the rear fuselage, to prevent this. I have seen various methods of replicating this. Most involve adding skins made of plastic card to the rear fuselage. Now in the real world, these skins were about 5mm thick, so in modelling terms are quite thin. In reality they are difficult to see but quite distinctive, see previous post by John Sheehan with photo. My way of doing this is not by adding card, but to mask the area, prior to spraying 2-3 layers of primer. This should, when done, provide enough of a difference to show the panel, but keep it in scale... Colin When I first saw the photo of the added reinforcing "plates", I thought of glueing some 5-thou plastic card to the fuselage. After careful consideration, I think it may be too thick, scale-wise. My next idea was to cut the shape out of some scrap decals and apply them to the fuselage side. You could use the thicker decals used in RC modelling, for better scale effect. Larry
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Post by COLIN SHIPTON-KNIGHT on Feb 10, 2009 20:39:17 GMT
Dear All,
Just peeled back the masking tape over the cockpit, with a view to inserting seat and putting canopy on before spraying.
Had my first real look at the seat that Airfix provide......
Oh my god it is shocking.......... What were Airfix thinking of? I cannot see it matching any Canberra seat......
What do I do... Where do I turn?
It's Ghastly, cannot use that. Any ideas...?
Colin
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Post by johnsheehan on Feb 11, 2009 20:34:22 GMT
Hi Colin
The seat for the PR.9 is a 3 CS for the driver, and a 4QS for the Nav. neither of them look like the normal Canberra seat more like the JP. or Vulcan type of seat. I've had a look at Aeroclub's web site but the only thin they have is a Mk.3. I'm guessing this would be more like the Hunter Mk.3 seat and of little use to us. I'm planning on using a Lighting seat, still not right but more like it. I'll send some Martin Baker line drawings of the seats for you plus a photo of the PR.9 office that I took at Wyton..
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Post by COLIN SHIPTON-KNIGHT on Feb 11, 2009 20:43:20 GMT
John,
Thanks for that, any suggestions about seats I can get hold of, much appreciated, need three, dare not put canopy on PR 9's until I have them....
Colin
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Post by EE Lightning on Feb 11, 2009 21:04:47 GMT
Hi Colin, Thanks for this and your positive feedback. A couple of observations as to my thinking... I've worked from the plans in the Aeroguide 34 on the Canberra PR-9 and my project is going to be an early airframe in overall Airframe Silver. As the guide illustrates there are several differences depending on the period your chosen aircraft is from? As far as the wing tips go, the upper surface detail and overall shape in the kit looks fine. There are a couple of small panel lines on the underside of the wing tips that could be filled, but as I've changed just about all the others on the project, it seems unnecessary (only in my opinion) to do those when they can't be readily seem. But...this is a matter of personal choice. I can't see what remedial action needs to be taken as far as the outer wing / flap profile is concerned? Matches well with the published plans in the Aeroguide? As for the fin...I'm not at all sure what needs to be corrected over and above the remedial action already taken (again, for an early aircraft)? The deep lines in the rudder have been filled and I have explained my approach to this on me site. Interestingly, the fin shape and panel line detail seems just about right for an early aircraft - the optional ARI.18228 RWR, ILS antennae being left off on my project (it was fitted much later). Good luck with your builds - coming along nicely, nice one. Best wishes, Geoff ( www.geoffcoughlin.com ) Dear All, Just noticed another build of the PR 9, have a look. www.geoffcoughlin.com/page19.htmHowever the two things I would point out are, no correction of the fin, so far.... No correction of the outer wing flap/wing profile.... But it's neat work, I have to admit. lovely work in the cockpit. Colin PS, more is coming on my build, just got the 'other' life getting in the way and saving photos of progress to upload. Colin
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Post by COLIN SHIPTON-KNIGHT on Feb 12, 2009 20:04:00 GMT
Geoff,
Going to have to go back and look at book, for reference re fin and plans, need to check....
Under surface of wing, I agree, I tend not to alter what will not be seen.
Wing tip in kit, for earlier airframes, agree, does not need modifying. Looking forward to not having to do it on my third model....
I suspect I am correct in comments about fin lower leading edge and outer wing flap shape, only have to look at photos... But I am going to have another look at the plans. Plans/drawings can be wrong, I have learnt that one.
Your model still looks the 'Dogs Bo---cks', do like the silver finish, has inspired me to have a go at one....
Colin
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Post by COLIN SHIPTON-KNIGHT on Feb 12, 2009 20:20:49 GMT
Geoff, Have gone back and checked... Quite happy about my comments about the incorrect outer wing profile, it is a straight edge, not a curved one as per the kit. View from below, View from above, Outer flap upper surface, also correct, see photo. Latest photo, thank you John, confirms straight trailing edge to wing, and flap, Also believe comments about fin profile are correct, refer everyone to earlier in this thread for photos. All Canberra's had same fin, only difference being the powered controls on PR 9, as commented upon earlier in this thread. Colin
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