deejay
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Post by deejay on Feb 12, 2010 16:07:44 GMT
I've judged (and entered ) the comp over the last 4 years, and noticed a big change in what counts as 'out of the box'. With manufactures such as Eduard 'n Dragon adding loads of etch, resin and metal barrels, is it time to change this class, either splitting off these 'super' kits, or expanding the existing out of the box class ? Anybody else got any thoughts....... Dave
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MikeC
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Post by MikeC on Feb 12, 2010 20:26:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2010 20:35:34 GMT
We are at the moment in the process of co-opting a new Competition Secretary into the ranks of the EC. May I suggest we allow him to settle in and then look through the competition classes and decide what in his opinion should go, be added or juggled.
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deejay
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Post by deejay on Feb 12, 2010 21:05:05 GMT
Yes Mike, it has come up before, but that was in March of last year, so I felt it was time for a rehash, do many people look at items from this time last year ?
I've brought this up now to give plenty of time to see how other members feel about this subject, and maybe give some ideas to the new comp sec.
To give an example, is it fair to compare Eduards new 190 D or Lightning against Tamiya's offering or the basic Airfix kit. both can be equally well finished, but the extra bits will give the enhanced kits a better look. Judging can be difficult enough without adding what are effectively detailed kits into the 'out of box' mix.
Any thoughts......
Dave
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Post by tony on Feb 14, 2010 21:39:01 GMT
Hi to everyone who has added to these comment.
As the new Co-Opted competition secretary i will make my first comments on this subject. i have gone over the comments of previous members who brought up this issue over the last few years and i think Martin Hales comment at the end of the previous thread sum things up.
Quote; The situation for this year is the following: The current rules have been amended to say that Standard kit classes will be judged on construction and finish alone. The judges notes have also been amended to this effect and judges will also be reminded of this at the judge's briefing on the day. I have complete confidence in the judges that they will make this change to the rules work. To go down the road of having plastic only in the SK classes leaves us with the question of what to do with multi-media kits built straight from the box. Which brings us back to the old ASK classes which caused no end of confusion as other media became common place in kits and would require extra classes. Without meaning any disrespect to anybody I have yet to see that there is an issue and even if there is it is on such a small scale that it does not warrant any major changes. I shall, of course be closely examining the results of the 2009 SK classes and talking to some of the judges involved to see if any further changes are needed to the rules. Having added extra classes to ensure that every area of the hobby has at least one class dedicated to it, I do not for see any further class changes in the foreseeable future unless a lot more judges are forthcoming and more space becomes available. I'm not holding my breath on either count.
Best Regards
Martin
after helping out at last year SMW competiton the idea of having more clases is not going to work just as Martin Hale had pointed out. so if we added more classes then some of the less represented classes will have to go or be combined with others classes, and this will peanalise some members who only enter in these less represented classes.
I do intend to look at the entries for this year and the past few years to see if any pattern emerges with regards to these super kits being entered in the SK class, i will also listen to what the members are saying and then i will make a decision as to the best way to go forward.
i hope that this will help some of the members for this year, it will be a slow bedding in process for me so i want to walk before i can run with this competion as a whole.
the competion at scale modelworld has gained the reputation of being the best in the world and i want to see that it stays that way and be a showcase for our hobby for the whole world to see.
Tony Horton
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Post by Julien on Feb 18, 2010 17:14:24 GMT
Having been a judge for a couple of years now I must admit I have hardly seen any of these "super kits" in the comp. The majority in the OOB classes are just that.
Julien
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Post by The Detail Police on Oct 15, 2010 13:04:42 GMT
Yes, but when the "super kits" turn up they can be a problem for the judges and an irritant to other competitors who have better kept to the spirit of 'standard kit'.
I don't think it's something for this year, but it won't go away and will need sorting some time in the future.
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Post by The Hooded Claw on Oct 15, 2010 13:31:44 GMT
Is that not what the SK (Standard Kit) and ASK (Any Source Kit) designations were intended to resolve what over a decade ago.
THC
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Post by John Tapsell on Oct 15, 2010 20:39:27 GMT
Ian - you are correct. The SK/ASK split was introduced years ago to resolve just this situation. ASKs were meant to be entered into the 'detailed' classes (ASD) and judged alongside kits with additional detailing added from aftermarket sources or from scratch.
Unfortunately, the definition seems to have got lost over the years, so it may be worth revisiting the existing definitions if it seems to be causing a problem (not noticed a problem myself but then I don't enter much these days).
Regards, John
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