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Post by okdoky on Mar 18, 2010 0:22:55 GMT
Hi folks No place on IPMS for dioramas so I thought I would place this here unless the moderators want to put a category up there somewhere. Made a move to start on the base and founds for the hut and gathered together the materials Wood for shuttering a concrete base, all purpose filler for the concrete, aimes tape (used for covering joints in plasterboard to skim coat with plaster) to act as a bit of reinforcement through the plaster mix, thin but stiff metal strips that were shaped to form the bows. Filler was a lot harder to get flat than I had thought as the mix would not self level Bows laid in to get a feeling for the shape and size Cardboard cut out, agian to get a feel for the shape. Am considering finding a foam board to cut out the front and rear panels which I want to make up as brickwork. Corrugated tin foil for the sheeting My hut should scale out at 24 foot span and 30 foot length. Just got to wait for the filler to set hard and give it a smooth down flat. The frame should look like this (although set on a concrete base, not timber). Nige
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Post by okdoky on Mar 18, 2010 3:45:34 GMT
Where I am this morning The work force are skiving and I am nackered myself Time for bed and get some sleep. Nige
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Post by Deleted on Mar 18, 2010 19:29:09 GMT
... No place on IPMS for dioramas so I thought I would place this here unless the moderators want to put a category up there somewhere. Nige, I won't be making any further changes to the forums in the short term in fact there will be some boards cropped from the list in preparation for a few changes. As for the Nissen hut, I'm enjoying this build and reading about the system you've found for crimping the aluminium sheet, I really must get one of those paint pad rollers. I look forward to seeing the build at Perth.
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Post by okdoky on Mar 19, 2010 0:11:53 GMT
Hi Folks Hi Nick,,,,,,,,,,,, No probs on where to post, I was just unsure if I was just missing where other folks would post dios. The build crew finished their fags and got the bits together to start erection !!!!!! OOOoo er Matron !!!!!!! It does help if you remember to get the right glue for the job ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, all my aroldite appears to have gone off and the hardener is not doing any good what-so-ever to set the bleeding bows onto the plaster floor. It remains gooee even after hours and that was with the recommended mix. I have attempted to follow a similar method of jointing the purlins to the bows by forming u bolts of wire which I have fed through the timber and simply twist to lock around the metal bows. Getting the holes in the metal bows proved impossible and I risked splitting the only metal bows I have (and no spare metal of the thickness or type in my shed left) so instead I drilled the timbers through Only got two of the five timber purlins on as it is quite fiddily to get the stiff metal bows to all sit true and in line without some lift or movement. Placed the sections of tin on for effect though I will be cutting these to scale ten foot lengths for the out side skin with 5 ten foot panels making one have circle scale two foot wide Phot of Cultibraggan Camp (POW camp from 1939 and held Rudolph Hess for a period) Hope to get this effect with th ehorizontal interior corrugation Nige
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Post by okdoky on Mar 20, 2010 2:47:13 GMT
Was so nackered trying to get the metal bows to sit upright while the glue set and while getting the first two purlins attached by wire and glue to all five bows. Woke up to find the glue had finally set and miracle of miracles the bows stayed vertical ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, RESULT. Wondered if I could get away with just wiring the remaining timber purlins to the bows ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, RESULT and the whole thing feels real solid too. Short U bolt fed through the timber Layed over the bow and a single bend on each free end of the U to trap the metal bow. Surprisingly tight grip with just a light crimp with pliers to flatten the loose ends against the timber. The top five purlins on but need to source more timber of the same thin profile for the two bottom purlins at floor slab level. The erection crew are checking out their handy work Test fitting the inner sheet with horizontal corrugations With outer skin over test Not sure if to put a window on the side of this one cause I would have to plan the sizes around the window. Also there seems to be a few choices of window types and sizes to consider. I think I might keep this one simple and do brick faced ends with the windows and doors (both ends or door one end still not sure). A stove in the middle like this one if enough time. Did Scottish POW camps give the prisoners electric lighting in the huts, at the door external or none at all? Also what colour is likely to have been used for the outside tin during early WW2 1940? Current Cultibraggen camp has brown tin and white wash brick ends. All for tonight Nige
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Post by foxy on Mar 20, 2010 22:21:21 GMT
Hi Nige.
Nice build so far matey.
On the subject of lighting for POWs, well if it shows in the picture, then maybe the camp had this before it was a POW camp.
I would think it did have lighting in the huts as most POW camps had this.
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Post by okdoky on Mar 20, 2010 23:11:42 GMT
Hi Foxy
Looking at a site about another POW camp, the style of nissan hut including electricity connection appears to have a standard the UK followed on each camp so i will go with the Cultybraggen photo.
All I need to figure out now is the colours although brown seems a safe bet. The Gerries would soon maybe get to know that these camps were POW and would likely not want to bomb them. So green and black maybe not.
Open to suggestions.
Nige
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Post by foxy on Mar 20, 2010 23:30:11 GMT
Hi Nige.
Well In the UK at this time,(war Time) I would say that letting the metal rust to a brown colour would be about right.
The stone would however not be to bright ,and again would be a natural stone effect with little attention.
Hope this helps.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2010 23:36:05 GMT
Nige, I would have thought that the stonework would be whitewashed, nice and simple. Any woodwork would probably have been painted, green or black maybe. As for the tin, well, camo ... possibly?
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Post by foxy on Mar 20, 2010 23:44:55 GMT
Well Nick I disagree with the white wash in war time.
The stone work would be more drab and less conspicuous even if the Enemy knows where the prison camp is.
Camo would be used if the POW camp was near any sensitive area, and some were..., but in most camps of this sort, they were not long term, so once built were left to there own devices, that is till after the war, then the White wash would have been applied, plus woodwork etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2010 23:57:30 GMT
Unless we have a picture or other reference, then surely whatever finish Nige applies to the hut, there can be no argument?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2010 0:02:59 GMT
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Post by okdoky on Mar 21, 2010 2:14:00 GMT
Unless we have a picture or other reference, then surely whatever finish Nige applies to the hut, there can be no argument? Hi Nick Since my reference so far has been based on Cultybraggen camp and it was supposedly there right at the beggining of the war, I might try to call the firm that is leasing the units to see if they have a potted history or even more photos. If all else fails I might just go on a basic brown or green. Starting to cut and fix the inner sheets keeping them between the bows. I may cut and fold thin strips of tin foil to glue the edges of the sheets to so that the sheets are all in line behind the bows as in the original (hiding my stiff metal bows behind new bows). Nige
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Post by foxy on Mar 21, 2010 8:54:31 GMT
Nice going Nige. Looks the part what ever the finish, if being War time or after. It seems Nick, what ever I say you are going to disagree, but thats debate lol . I can see the Green being used, seem to remember that as a boy after the war going past the old Italian POW camp near Davidstow Airfield. They still have Nissan huts on the oldie Airfield to this day( was a US base during the War). They are Grey stone and brownish roofs, some have Green also. If you want I can ask the proprietor if he has any info on the history of the Nissan huts there. I know the Airfield was never bombed due to its location and geography , (Very hard to spot, even from the air).
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2010 18:18:42 GMT
... It seems Nick, what ever I say you are going to disagree, but thats debate lol Foxy, that's not the case at all, Nige asked for suggestions, that's exactly what he got.
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