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Post by NoelSmith on Dec 20, 2010 17:02:50 GMT
Just thought that I would bring this subject up for general debate! Having run modelling competitions at local level, sometimes it was a real nightmare trying to get returnable trophies back,what with all the chasing up and so forth. Sometimes they just 'disappear' along with their winner. Occassionally you catch up with them and get the trophy back albeit too late, or in the worst case it is lost forever. When this does happen either another trophy at the club's expense had to be made at very short notice, or the organisation had the embarrassment of no trophy to give to the winner at the award ceremony. I personally think that it is quite unacceptable if a trophy holder does not return a trophy if quite able to do so, as it robs the next winner of the pleasure of receiving the award at the appropriate time. Lame excuses like 'I forgot' or 'I was too busy' I don't think really wash as it is sat on their sideboard or whatever as a constant reminder throughout the year. After all they were quite willing to accept it when they won it and enjoyed the experience of being handed the award when it was their time. So don't they have a moral obligation if nothing else to ensure that a trophy gets returned for the next winner? But what can be done if they simply don't return it? I'm not sure if the answer is that IPMS UK should abandon presenting returnable trophies for SMW altogether and simply give awards to keep. Naturally this would be a real problem where individuals and organisations have very kindly already donated special returnable trophies to IPMS UK to be awarded annually. A tricky one this. What do other members think?
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Post by akesterton on Dec 20, 2010 20:48:09 GMT
How about the winner gets a framed photo of themselves with the trophy, or a miniature trophy or similar, but the real trophy stays with IPMS. Putting the photo on the IPMS web site for the year too.
anthony
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Post by playtime on Dec 27, 2010 20:21:58 GMT
If this is actually an issue, refundable deposit?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2010 21:47:12 GMT
If this is actually and issue? Actually Steve it is, we have had several major trophies vanish, or should I say they are not returned, and we're working on the solution.
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Post by Gary the Geezer on Dec 28, 2010 12:01:22 GMT
Do away with them.
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Post by playtime on Dec 28, 2010 12:37:41 GMT
The trophies or the miscreants who have failed to return them? Either works for me...
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Post by Gary the Geezer on Dec 31, 2010 11:12:12 GMT
"miscreants"...... that's a fine word, do we know a song about it? Seriously, if we cannot rely and guarantee the return of such trophies/awards, then maybe it is time to stop giving them. Tell me, where else would we draw the line...... when none are left to give perhaps?
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Post by foxy on Dec 31, 2010 12:00:51 GMT
Having been in this position of trophies/cups etc not being returned, its a sticky subject. One way of addressing the problem has been to get the winners to sign for the trophies/cups plus a contact number thus enabling the secretary to contact them. Also a suggestion is that you obtain an address and or,if applicable the name of a club that the winner belongs to. Hope this helps.
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Post by tony on Dec 31, 2010 13:27:21 GMT
Interesting to read the comments with regards to lost trophies. as Nick has said we are missing a couple of trophies and i am looking at getting them replaced next year (2011). we currently have a mix bag of trophies in that some are sponsored and its the sponsor who is responsible for supplying the trophy for that year. weather its a new trophy every year or a returnable one. i have all the names and contact details of the winners for 2010 so they will be contacted prior to SMW and asked to return them at the show or to me before hand. we also have some trophies that are given to the winner but they never leave the building and the winner is given a replica to keep. if there any new trophies to be awarded in the future they will have to be sponsored either by a branch, a manufacture or trader. Then they will be responsible for the issue of a trophy at future events. as for trophies that do not get returned in the future then I'm sure we can try our best to get the individual to return this item somehow. interested to hear of any other ideas on this subject.
Tony.
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Post by NoelSmith on Dec 31, 2010 16:15:28 GMT
Looks like my original post has evoked some interesting discussion! Despite taking all the right steps such as taking names and addresses, sending reminders etc., unfortunately there will still be problems with returnable trophies if previous winners from the year before fail in their responsibility to return trophies, not to mention the expense and time having to be wasted by clubs and societies in trying to recover them. If recovery is late, then it robs the latest winner of receiving their accolade at the right time. All to often, although they often try to laugh and shrug it off at the time , I have seen the look of disappointment when a winner cannot receive their trophy due to its non return by the previous recipient. Unfortunately, just a handshake and an apology for the trophy not being available does not compensate for the trophy not being awarded at a show. Apart from doing away with returnable trophies altogether, it will always be very difficult to get around this seemingly perennial problem. As far as IPMS is concerned maybe as a suggestion there ought to be a rule in our constitution, that if a trophy is not returned in due time for the next show/competition, that the winner who did not return it be invoiced immediately after the show for a nominal sum of money to compensate for the loss of the trophy. If something like this was put into place, I wouldn't mind betting that a lot of trophies do not get 'forgotten' when the time to return them comes around. Whether this would be deemed acceptable of course is another matter!
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Post by ratch on Dec 31, 2010 21:36:20 GMT
Why present an award you cannot afford to lose? At the Club I attend, a member casts medallions which are presented for the prize winners to keep! Just a thought...
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Post by NoelSmith on Jan 1, 2011 15:04:51 GMT
I agree with you Ratch. And this could work well with Society or Club's own awards. It gets a bit difficult though, if someone has donated a returnable trophy and specifies that it is to be competed for annually. even more so as a number of such trophies have been donated to IPMS by people who have since passed away. So this creates a bit of a quandry. Keep the main trophy going in their memory with the problems of getting it back each year, or go to the added expense of a small keepsake trophies instead, awarded each year instead of all the returnable trophies?
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Post by dingo on Jan 11, 2011 3:55:52 GMT
At our gun club we have annual trophies and as soon as they R handed out they have to be handed back which means the person who receives the trophy gets to hang on it for just the photo shoot, as I'm on the gun club committee I hoping to introduce a smaller trophy of the large one so the recipient can have a memento of the larger one and a reminder that he or she shot good during the year. Dingo
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Post by Lonewolf on Jan 11, 2011 23:56:27 GMT
There is of course a precedent. The Ashes do not leave Lords. The winners are presented with a replica and a trophy they can keep.
I suppose its somewhat easier mind when the only two possible winners are the ECB or Cricket Australia.
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Post by dingo on Jan 14, 2011 11:35:57 GMT
Why didn't the ECB feild an all english team this year where they afraid the Aussies might take back the ashes so they put in a team that was 3/4 South African, nah only kidding personally I could give a rats A%#@ about cricket model building is more important. Now there's an idea an Ashes cmp in model building. Dingo
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