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Post by piginapoke on Dec 14, 2010 0:31:30 GMT
Hi New here but keen to get my area of interest setup as a SIG in the UK. I'm a keen paper modeler and discussions on www.papermodeler.com have led to the formation of a Fine Scale Paper Modelers group which is an affiliation of the USA IPMS. I am admittedly not a member yet of UK IPMS but am keen to promote paper modelling as a member of this group, ideally as a SIG within UK IPMS. Can you please advise on what would be required to be able to represent Fine Scale Paper Modelers as a SIG in the UK IPMS? Cheers Robin
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Post by Thunderjug on Dec 14, 2010 9:38:33 GMT
Sorry to say this but IPMS stands for International PLASTIC modellers society not paper!!!!
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Post by Rob Monfea on Dec 14, 2010 12:43:31 GMT
Hi Robin,
Unfortunately, I have to agree with Thunderjug on this one.
We are the International Plastic Modellers Society, here to promote the hobby of Plastic Scale Modelling. Although other materials are often used to enhance such models (resin, etched brass, white metal and indeed paper) by and large, the basis for our hobby is the thermoplastic kit.
Whilst I acknowledge that paper models require skill to produce and can result in some very lifelike representations, I do not believe that Paper modelling is appropriate as a SIG topic for IPMS (UK).
Best Regards,
Rob Monfea UKLO for IPMS (UK)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 18:36:49 GMT
Hello Robin, the forum has a board where 'Card Stock' is discussed: ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cst why not join in some of the threads there? ... I also look forward to seeing some of your own card models displayed within the board.
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Post by John Tapsell on Dec 14, 2010 18:43:25 GMT
Actually I disagree.
Yes, the 'p' stands for plastic, but we've long been more inclusive than that.
We're a Society of scale modellers first and foremost. The preferred material is plastic and overall I expect it to remain so. However, to dismiss an enquiry like this so bluntly seems only to confirm the perception that we're elitist and arrogant.
Paper modelling may not be everyone's passion but having seen some of the incredible models that exist in paper, I think that we should take it seriously.
I would also suggest you check down our own forums before saying we don't provide one for 'paper' models.
Under Modeltalk, you'll find a 'card stock' forum.
A Paper Models SIG may not be relevant to the mainstream Society but surely that's what a 'special interest group' is all about? IPMS can gain just as much from the type of research that goes into these models as we can from anywhere else.
I appreciate it may not fall into our traditional criteria but I think it's a discussion worth having.
Regards, John
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Post by Rob Monfea on Dec 14, 2010 22:51:07 GMT
OK, lets have a discussion.
The name International Plastic Modellers Society seems to suggest (to me at least) that the principal medium for our chosen hobby is Plastic. That is not me being arrogant or elitist, merely a simple textual analysis of the name of our society.
If we were called The International Scale Modellers Society, then I think you would have a pretty valid argument and that card stock models would fall within our remit.
However, we are not called that and for that very reason, I do not see how a paper card modelling SIG furthers the interests of the hobby of Plastic Scale Modelling or therefore IPMS (UK).
Rob Monfea UKLO for IPMS (UK)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2010 23:08:46 GMT
Rob, I can see your point about the initials of the Society, but I also have to agree with JT, card modelling is scale modelling, that's one of the reasons I created a board on here.
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Post by PeterBagshaw on Dec 15, 2010 9:33:13 GMT
I have no objections to a card/paper modelling SIG, after all we have SIGs for specific aircraft or vehicles which afterall aren't made of plastic!
To further Robs' arguement, if we only included plastic models (with resin etc additions) most of the figure models would probably not qualify for entry either as they seem to be either resin or white metal.
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Post by Ian M Day on Dec 15, 2010 20:57:23 GMT
Good Grief!
I'm away for a month or so and look what happens.
I alway thought, wrongly an it would now seem, that the initials IPMS stand for INTERNATIONAL PLASTIC MODELLERS SOCIETY. When the ********* did this change?
I have no objection to first time modellers showing their PLASTIC models on here, no matter how bad. At least we can offer some helpful advice to improve them. Now I've viewed the card so-called models on the thread our dear webmaster has set up and frankly, my advice would be for him to take up weaving.
Those so called models are, quite frankly, appaling and I would be ashamed to show them if they were mine, which thankfully, they are not.
Come on Nick, you're meant to be our society webmaster. If yon card modeller wants to show his models somewhere, let him set up his own website or you could offer to do it for him.
LETS STAY PLASTIC, PLEASE!
IAN
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Post by shadomobile on Dec 15, 2010 21:57:06 GMT
Hi,
I for one have always thought that we are a society for modelers whatever the medium and the society's name is a holdover from 47 years ago when the other forms of modeling didn't really exist. We should be inclusive and some of the card models I have seen are superb I think a SIG is a good idea.
Ian, I don't normally comment on your inflammatory postings as thats what you want and the members on these boards know what your like. But I have to say your comments about another modelers work are very harsh and insulting and also without merit. Are you trying to wind people up again? Do the world a favor wind you neck in and allow intelligent debate to take place please
Richard Kent
Please note these are my opinions and not those of the EC in any way shape or form.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2010 22:38:28 GMT
I believe Rob called for a discussion? ... by that I would think he meant an adult discussion where views are exchanged not just ramblings from someone who is known for their inflammatory posts.
Let's just have a look at what we have here, a forum of plastic kit makers. We belong to a Society of plastic kit makers, we don't go anywhere near anything which isn't plastic do we? ... white metal? ... balsa?
Is this a Society which chooses to ignore something different? ... Well, Ian Day is correct in that I am the webmaster for the Society, I'm also the Forum Administrator and one of the members of this forum asked if I would consider a board on this forum where members may discuss their hobby, not a problem and I stand by that. As you all know my post is up for election and I will not however be stepping in to continue as webmaster / forum administrator at the forthcoming AGM, so the post is open to anyone who feels they have something to contribute to advance the Society.
Thank goodness the views of Ian Day are not representative of the majority of members on this forum.
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Post by Rob Monfea on Dec 15, 2010 22:47:55 GMT
Actually, JT asked for the discussion, I merely obliged.
Without wishing to encourage others to 'take sides' this is clearly an emotive topic with the potential to polarise peoples opinions.
I have stated my views on this subject and I have so far not heard anything that would sway me from my original take on this matter.
However, I feel that that debate is useful, provided we all keep it constructive and don't allow it to descend into petty squabbling and name calling.
Any more disrepect for each other and I will ask Nick to lock this thread down in accordance with Forum guidelines!
So, back to the topic.....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2010 22:56:37 GMT
OK, lets have a discussion. Sorry Rob, I was going by the post shown above.
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Post by Rob Monfea on Dec 15, 2010 23:03:25 GMT
I think it's a discussion worth having. And I was going by the one before! Rob
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Post by piginapoke on Dec 16, 2010 0:24:09 GMT
Some personal observations In the absence of a bigger scale modelling society, I approached IPMS to see if paper modelling could be taken onboard particularly as the USA IPMS has incorporated paper modelling as a Special Interest Group. As has been pointed out already, there is already a card model section on the forum and I would have thought new modeller members would be welcome. Also, looking around the UK IPMS website I've identified the following to consider The main tagline on the first page of UK IPMS is "the society for scale modellers", the word plastic is not present (logo excepted). The following sentences from the website are also worthy of consideration. "All you need to qualify for membership is to have an interest in model making as a hobby." "....However, many modellers will also appreciate that their interest in a subject goes above and beyond the modelling aspect - it will quite probably include historical research, photography, etc., all of which is most welcome in a SIG. " Finally, the USA competitions allow for any other medium to be used, with judging standards kept independent of medium (see extract below from USA contest rules) "2. COMPOSITION. The use of plastic is encouraged; however, the use of other modeling materials is allowed as the builder sees fit. Judging standards of finish, attention to detail, and authenticity will be the same, regardless of the materials used. All judging is done using the same set of rules and applying the same criteria to every model in the room." And on a final note for Mr. Day www.papermodelers.com/forum/attachments/cardboard-lounge/41992d1270411241-ultimate-papermodel-victory-1.jpgipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=cst&action=display&thread=7753&page=1Regards Robin
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