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Post by The Hooded Claw on Dec 1, 2013 8:52:29 GMT
OK, now I get it.
It would be almost impossible to legislate out of the competition classes the kind of mixed media kit we now al enjoy so we need to legislate them in.
If Noel is going to draft a resolution to that effect then I request that he allows us to see same before he makes it so that it can be modified if necessary to meet all members needs.
Regarding the original crux of the matter it comes down to the vigilance of the judges to pick up, not literally I suspect, any die cast/pre finished model in the competition and disqualify them. I look forward to being a fly on the wall the first time they get that wrong!
THC
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Post by fastcat on Dec 1, 2013 10:42:40 GMT
Hello THC,
That's it in a nutshell! As Nick has pointed out in his previous post(thanks Nick), MFH have recently released what they refer to as a hybrid kit where the body shell is plastic and the most of the other bits are white metal. I can see this sort of thing being a trend due to the smaller volumes of sales and the need to reduce prices in order to appeal to a wider market.
It's a shame it was opened in an older thread as the issue is really about metal content as opposed to ready built models although there are some crossover concerns. Lots of "die-casts" are actually resin and the quality keeps on getting better.
It's me that's drafting a motion for a rule change. I've passed it to Tony for a first opinion so he can have a look to see if I've written anything glaringly silly (never done this before). I'm not sure of the protocol after that but I'd be more than happy to share it on the forum if that's OK with the EC, even if only in essence. Best regards Dave
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Post by hazmod on Dec 1, 2013 10:48:35 GMT
Applause, Fastcat I will see and wait
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Post by NoelSmith on Dec 2, 2013 15:00:43 GMT
Look forward to seeing your motion draft Fastcat. Loosening up the rules on materials like wood and metal as structural items would be good. It not only affects car modellers but many others as well. e.g. Period sailing ship modellers....most of the static model kits of that genre happen to be in wood. A class that is undersubscribed most years at SMW. If we do go down that route and open up the materials usage we need to ensure that the models are STATIC Scale only.
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Post by patcommu on Dec 3, 2013 16:00:52 GMT
I'm new in this forum but not new in participating to SMW contest. I’d like to give you my opinion about mutimedia kits. I entered my Kawasaki 500 Mach III by Gunze Hi-Tech last year; this model is mainly made of metal parts. I didn’t know the rules about cosmetical and structural use of metal parts. The model got no award or commendation and now I Think it has been “fired”. I think that a model value is made of building, painting, weathering and decaling modeler’s skill without any regards about materials used especially if the materials are those provided whit the kit. So I suggest to judge every model “really made” by the modeler hands starting from a kit or any raw material and improved with any material he likes. I apologize for my English hoping to have clarified my thought.
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Post by hazmod on Dec 4, 2013 5:44:25 GMT
Patcommu, You has hard luck, with Your GSI, Kawasaki 500 Mach III at SMW competition 2012. No, I pointed out with Yahama MZR 1 Moto GP with high levels, aftermarket decals, Material parts and details with Gold Winner from competitor. I'm understand it, Racing Moto GP Bikes still refinement than Civilian Motorcycles. I do n't saying it Judges still choose it!
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Post by fastcat on Dec 4, 2013 10:24:33 GMT
Hi Patcommu, You're not alone in thinking that the rules need altering. I've started a separate thread with my proposal to change the rules and it's been submitted for consideration at the AGM. Hopefully if the members vote to accept it then the rules will change. I'm sorry your model didn't do as well as you hoped. Perhaps you should have asked if it had been disqualified. As hazmod has said, there are many motor cycle kits with metal parts. For instance with the current rules, you could enter the Protar Manx Norton which is all plastic but not it's companions, the AJS or Matchless because they have metal frames. Perhaps there will be a change next year. Best regards Dave
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Post by patcommu on Dec 4, 2013 13:45:04 GMT
Hi Dave & hazmod, this year I entered the contest with the Honda RC 166 (that one with clear fairing and the painted one on stand, full of metal improvements) and I didn't match the judges taste as well. So I started two new projects "all plastic" waiting for new rules. I'll keep tuned to see the rules evolution. Regards to all. Patrizio
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Post by fastcat on Dec 4, 2013 19:02:31 GMT
Hi Patrizio, I remember that model well. I thought you did a fine job and it's a shame you weren't rewarded. I'm certain that your model was OK by the rules. Metal extra parts are allowed, the present rules just say that they should not be structural. So if you made a metal bike frame, that may be wrong but using photo etch and small cast metal pieces would be OK.
You have to remember that judges don't always see things the way you do and sometimes a different group of judges would choose different winners. That's just the way it is. You were up against some really excellent models and it's very difficult for judges to choose.
Don't be discouraged, keep on entering, one day you may be pleasantly surprised! Good luck with your new projects. Best regards Dave
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