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Post by rpg on Nov 14, 2006 11:29:57 GMT
I'd prefer to avoid it but find I cannot, so must learn the black art of re-scribing panel lines... There are several tools available, but impartial advice is scarce - so which is best for clean, convincing, easily controlled lines? I've come across the Hasegawa Trytool, the cheap Tamiya scriber, a very serious looking "micro chisel" with scribing attachments by Mission Models (from Hannants), one or two others.
Re technique, I liked the tip I found about scribing along the existing raised panel lines as a guide, instead of fiddling with Dymo tape. Comments?
Thanks, RPG
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Post by spike on Nov 14, 2006 15:06:35 GMT
I use the Tamiya Scriber I have have had no problems with it, nice and easy to use. I have not tried any of the others so I can not comment on those.
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Post by Ian M Day on Nov 14, 2006 15:40:12 GMT
I've used an Olfa 'P' cutter since gawd knows when. It works for me. Also, for those small panels such as re-fuelling points a good set of templates in brass would not come amiss.
I think Eduard do some.
You will need a pin in a knife handle to scribe these small items though.
Dymo tape is useful for matching up panels on curved areas such as fuselages. Especially useful when you've sanded the raised lines away cleaning up the join lines. As an alternative, you could use cable ties!
IAN
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Post by keefr22 on Nov 14, 2006 18:22:34 GMT
Well, when I've tried to scribe along raised panel lines without using Dymo tape, there's only ever one result - disaster!!  - the scriber goes all over the place!! I do scribe along existing raised lines with Dymo - but then it's often the case that the provided lines are actually inaccurate! (but I'm not a rivet counter so don't worry about that - I don't replace rivets either!). I do like Ian's idea about using cable ties!  As to scribers I use two - the detail & scale one which is relatively cheap & works well - & the good old sewing needle in a pin vice!! Cheers Keith |
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Post by rpg on Nov 14, 2006 18:45:37 GMT
Interesting, food for thought. I didn't know about the detail & scale scriber; the Tamiya is quite cheap (£3 - £4); the Olfa P I just found at 4D for a bit over £15 making it the most expensive I've come across. All recommended it seems - so why pay over £10 more for the Olfa compared with Tamiya? Just curious. Anyone use the Mission Models chisel/scriber tool? And do these things cut different-section grooves - square as opposed to v-shaped - ? Is one easier to handle than others?
Regards, RPG
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Post by keefr22 on Nov 14, 2006 19:27:07 GMT
The Detail&Scale one is actually the Bare Metal panel scriber - sorry, old age again! I really should learn to look before typing!
Hannants still have it listed at £7.50 & I actually pre-ordered it from them for the 2004 SMW so got the 10% off as well! (although if I remember right it was actually £9 2 years ago!!)
It's a nice tool to use, fairly light & like the P-cutter (which I also have & rarely use - never use in fact) it cuts a groove without leaving edges that need sanding off - like a needle in a pin vice does. But sometimes the needle is the only thing that will get into really tight areas.
As to the section of the groove it makes? Absolutely no idea to be honest! I just know that it scribes neat, consistent lines that aren't too deep or wide & look OK under a coat or two of paint.
HTH
Keith
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Post by spike on Nov 14, 2006 20:34:53 GMT
The tamiya scriber has a nice sharpe strong blade and as the bare metal foil scriber cuts nice clean lines. But I seen the Mission Models micro chisel/scriber and also would be interested to know if anybody has used it.
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Post by Don Cabriolet on Nov 14, 2006 20:42:22 GMT
I know theres not much call for panel rescribing on tanks but... I use the Bare Metal foil scriber - I'm on my second one now, but... Panel lines are almost invisible for a couple of feet away so...  On the Chipmunks I usedto fly during my airhead days It was impossible to get a fingernail into anything except the engine cowl and that was only because one of the mechs slammed the cover shut on a screwdriver once...  |
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Post by littlecars on Nov 20, 2006 20:04:24 GMT
I must admit I'm not totally unbiased, as I sell these things, but these are my thoughts.
I here good things about the Hasegawa tool, but it is usually not abailable and not cheap. I think there ar two different sized tools as well.
The bare metal foil tool can be good, but each one is hand finished, so check the point before you buy. The profiles vary.
The Mission models set looks good, but is expensive and you have to buy their chisel handle seperately as well. On the plus side you get three different scribe tips in the set.
The Olfa P-450 ( Tamiya scriber) both have a good reputation, but up to now had been hard to source in the UK. Spare blades were even rarer.
The 4D model shop, sell the larger version the P-800 not the smaller P-450. £15 sounds to me like a large markup for a specific market, I used to sell the UK sourced item for around £9, now £6.
The reason they don't have the P-450 is simple the official olfa importer/distributer in the UK don't bring in the P-450, they obviously don't see that there is enough demand. They can get them if you buy a larger quantity (same goes for the replacement blades) The problem is their trade price is highter than buying the tool from a shop in Japan.
From the demand at Telford I would say the P-450 was the most popular, closely followed by the Mission models set.
I'd probably try the P-450 or the tamiya version and see how you get on with it.
Paul
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Post by cirikili on Apr 14, 2007 15:36:27 GMT
......different "strokes" for different folks ? www.micro-mark.com (sorry Paul) a company in Berkley Heights, N.J. USA has some wonderful (can't live without) finite tools for scale plastic modelling & railroading (they'll mail order anywhere & with your first order, you get one of their free catalogues) one of which is a surgical stainless steel scribing tool.............probably as good as the one BMF sells......... of late i've also been reading about using a (60 - 80 tooth per inch) fine razor saw for scribing....... Testor's also makes what they refer to as a scribing tool, which if used with great care can be applied as a sorta kinda starter for your initial pass, but don't hope for a second to do anything more delicate than that initial pass........ personally, i'll use whatever works for the job at hand, although i've not had the opportunity to check out the Olfa P cutter.......but read great things about it........ |
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Post by NoelSmith on Jul 13, 2012 18:49:12 GMT
There have been a few mentions about Olfa tools in this thread, Olfa tools are primarily made for graphic design, arts & crafts. Most larger art supply shops hold their stuff in stock. So availability is normally good from the right source! Model suppliers only seem to have one or two Olfa items at any given time.
It is amazing what Art Supply shops hold that is really good for model makers.
eg Forget proprietary model makers brushes and get down to an art shop where there is a fantastic range of high quality sable brushes from the likes of Winsor and Newton, Daler Rowney and Kolinsky to name a few. Expensive, but with good care last for years and years.
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- the scriber goes all over the place!!
