The Librarian
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Post by The Librarian on Mar 5, 2011 21:51:50 GMT
I'm on the point of starting the TSR-2 1/48th kit so jumped in the car today and headed for a look-see of the real deal at Duxford. Wow...BIG. A lot of web site build articles and Airfix instructions point to the undercarriage legs and bays etc being white yet the Duxford example (apparently painted in fully authentic scheme) seems to have these areas in a very light gray. The flying prototype had an earlier undercarriage, the Duxford plane had a revised gear. Was there a colour change as well? Any advice greatly appreciated.
Also has anyone a colour match for the stripes I keep seeing on the flaps of the flying prototype? In some pictures they seem black and in others a dark gray.
Many thanks Max
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Post by falcon on Mar 13, 2011 15:31:10 GMT
The correct colour for the undercarriage bays and legs is Light Aircraft Grey, as it is for a number of British made aircraft.
The correct colour for the cockpit is Dark Admiralty Grey and the correct colour for the exterior is Anti-Flash White. White Ensign Models do these paints but they are only available in the enamel range.
The Xtracrylix white is a close match for the Anti-flash white.
The dilectric panels and radome are a close match for Halfords appliance White.
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The Librarian
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Post by The Librarian on Mar 15, 2011 12:35:49 GMT
Thanks a lot Falcon. I went with Revell 371 LAG as it seems a very close match. I've just finished the kit as XR220, mainly 'cos I liked the camera fittings on the side. Great kit but anyone attempting should be very wary of the canopy fit if your intention is to close them. I also found some fit problems with the air intakes but nothing a little test fitting and sanding won't fix. Brought back memories of putting together Matchbox kits in the Seventies....very similar in build and appearance.
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Post by DaveFleming on Mar 15, 2011 13:14:45 GMT
The correct colour for the undercarriage bays and legs is Light Aircraft Grey, as it is for a number of British made aircraft. . Chris, are you sure about light aircraft grey? It wasn't introduced into until 1966, as a result of the need to find a replacement for High Speed Silver in PU paint. Most UK military aircraft since the 60s have had their u'c bays painted in what is now BS381C 631 Light Grey, which is similar. Not sure if this applied before the incorporation of the MoD/MoS standards into BS381C in 1964.
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Post by sarboy on Mar 16, 2011 11:40:06 GMT
Hi. Just to throw a spanner in the works - I've been an aircraft engineer for some 30-odd years and when it comes to correct colours, you'll always find an exception that proves the rule. I've refurbished hydraulic equipment (including undercarriage legs) and although MoD and the DA (Design Authority) may specify a certain DTD or BS number at build, during the life of the aircraft this spec can change for many reasons for example: a change of role; a change of paint supplier; repair or refurbishment using an alternative spec finish etc, etc. I've personally fitted different colour U/C legs to one airframe! My point is - If you've a good photo reference what you see is what you had at that moment in time. Anything else before and after is just conjecture and guess-work. Unless you were there, of course!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 12:35:38 GMT
Good point and well put. From time to time I have the same conversation with folks when I'm building transport subjects, it's usually 'it was never that colour or shade' or 'that was never standard stowage'. What folks forget is that modifications are made from time to time, especially in the battle field or when a part is delivered in a different colour shade and over a period of time, that modification becomes the norm for that item until someone questions it.
In my view, a model is a representation of an item at a particular time in its life, there will always be those who are willing to say that a colour or shade is wrong as part of a particular specification, but unless they can prove that item was that colour for it's total service, then it's down to modellers licence, and any judge questioning that should have extensive knowledge of the subject. I also find that young or inexperienced modellers will take the kit makers colour scheme as gospel ... I think we all know how to interpret the colours on box art and the suggested colour schemes in the instruction sheet?
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Post by sarboy on Mar 16, 2011 17:13:51 GMT
Hi Nick. Now that we've broached the topic of colours, I'd be interested to know what people think of 'scale' colour. (Maybe a new thread is called for - I'm a bit of a Luddite with these 'ere new-fangled computery-forum thingys). I understand the necessary concept of weathering, but scaling the colour? Some time ago I wrote a 2-page article with the intention of submitting it for publication in one of the modelling mags, but never got round to it. Would this forum be the correct vehicle to give it an airing out? I'm sure it would generate some lively debate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 17:30:31 GMT
... Now that we've broached the topic of colours, I'd be interested to know what people think of 'scale' colour. (Maybe a new thread is called for - I'm a bit of a Luddite with these 'ere new-fangled computery-forum thingys). I understand the necessary concept of weathering, but scaling the colour? Some time ago I wrote a 2-page article with the intention of submitting it for publication in one of the modelling mags, but never got round to it. Fire it up and give it an airing ... here ya go: ipmsuk.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=memberschat&action=display&thread=8029&page=1
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