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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2011 17:26:06 GMT
This thread has been requested following a comment made on the TSR2 colours. What are your thoughts about scale colour?
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Post by iansadler on Mar 16, 2011 18:59:34 GMT
I think it is subjective as we all see colurs differently , Some people are biased to a particular colour , but not colour blind . Also medication can affect the way we see colours . I noticed this after my heart attack , one tablet I had an alergic reaction to altered my colour range in the blue . Lucky I found out very quickly and the tablet was changed to a none alergic .
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Post by sarboy on Mar 16, 2011 20:54:30 GMT
Ok. I think I've got the hang of this forum thingy. This is a couple of pages on my thoughts of 'Scale Colour'. I produced this with a view to presenting it in a magazine article. Never got round to it. Hope it attaches ok. Have a read while I get my tin hat and body armour. Attachments:
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Post by fastcat on Mar 16, 2011 23:48:36 GMT
Ifirmly believe that "scale colour", which I understand as lightening a specific colour to allow for the small scale of a model really does improve a model.
The first time I saw this in action was long ago where a very skilled modeller had worked up the tiny Airfix Cutty Sark. All the colours used were very much toned down and the model looked extremely realistic. For instance, nowhere was black in evidence, nor pure white. Figure modellers have long recognised this and adjust colours accordingly.
If you want the evidence, we all know that the hull of the Cutty Sark was black, so try painting the Airfix kit in pure black from the tin. It just looks wrong and toy-like.
I've also encountered the same problem with cars. If painted from a can of touch-up paint of the same spec as the original, the colour often looks off. Some colours are more susceptible than others and the smaller the model, usually the more the perceived difference. I can only think that it's due way our eyes deal with the amount of light reflected from the original versus the model.
I think it's also the reason small scale models of old cars look better if the gloss is toned down a little. It allows the detail to be more visible whereas too high a gloss reflects too much and looks wrong. And old cars were shiny so it's not that they had an inferior finish.
I know there are those that dispute some or all of the above, but as far as I'm concerned, you pays yer money, you takes yer choice. And as I suggested, do an A/B comparison and see which looks best before coming to a firm conclusion either way. Dave A.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2011 8:57:41 GMT
I was asked a couple of years ago to build the Tamiya 'Scuby' for a friend of mine, nice kit. I had the correct paint 'New Rally Blue' prepared into a rattle can from my local Halfords and also bought the clear top coat at the same time. The paint went on like a dream, as did the clear cote. Showroom finish ... nah, hated it. I asked the person I was building it for would he mind if I made it look like a working rally car? ... Well, after a couple of hours with an air brush and weathering powders, it looked much better, to my eye at least.
However, and this is purely a personal view, although I preferred the aesthetics of the weathered version, I have seen several models in showroom finish and they look really good, maybe it's simply my preference for weathering.
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Post by NoelSmith on Mar 18, 2011 10:26:33 GMT
Anyone remember the lengthy articles about 'Methuen Values' for Scale Model Colours that appeared in MAP's Scale Models Magazine back in the eighties (I think). Talk about Rocket Science! This discussion I feel could go on 'ad infinitum'. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. So what looks right for one person could look wrong to another, so toning has to be a very subjective art in modelling. Basically, if it looks right to me I am happy with it, as I guess most modellers are with their own efforts. But again, if you put your model into a competition to be judged, the judge's perception may be different, so that is where the thing being subjective comes into play.
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Post by phoenix54 on Mar 25, 2011 15:49:08 GMT
Hi sarboy, you knew me Dad! ;D Great piece you've written, my Dad was 14th/20th Hussars from '41 to '46, his comment, "if there were more than two vehicles in the regiment, the same colour, we'd done well!" OR, you tell me what colour it SHOULD be, and i'll paint it with what's available, (unless it's WHITE! [If it moves salute it, if it doesn't, PAINT it!]) Having read the other comments, my personal take is, one of perception. Ian comments on the individual, (mind altering drugs!! ) Dave (fastcat) on a subject most of us know, don't use black or white. Noel, i KNOW what you're talking about, rocket science indeed, but then, life's too short! As for Nick, well, just put it down to him liking things DIRTY!!!! (sorry Sue, will apologise when i see you again. He, he, he. probably Sunday at Hinckley!) Glad to see everybody's 'playing nice', so no one's to spoil it! Dad Ooopps, Paul ;D
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Post by Deleted on Mar 25, 2011 17:18:15 GMT
... As for Nick, well, just put it down to him liking things DIRTY!!!! (sorry Sue, will apologise when i see you again. He, he, he. probably Sunday at Hinckley!) What's all this about me liking things to look dirty? ... well, actually I do, don't tell anyone but it's because I can never get a gloss finish. I'll be at Hinckley on Sunday, Ian Sadler is picking me up at 'oh my god it's early' and it's also after the night we lose an hour ... are you sure this is a hobby?
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Post by phoenix54 on Mar 26, 2011 20:20:09 GMT
WIMP!! Twenty something miles, PAH!!! Try 170. I must be MAD!
Paul
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2011 20:22:38 GMT
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