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Post by brianthemodeller on Sept 22, 2009 15:44:29 GMT
Thank you. Another cracking build and very informative commentary. One request, though...
Will you slow down a bit with your builds - I can't keep up with the reading!!
Brian
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Post by popeye on Sept 22, 2009 17:12:58 GMT
Dont worry Brian, I was only trying to swamp the "new posts" once in all my years of membership, hoping for some citation ;D Seriously - posting here was in response to a thread on Britmodeller re early Do 17's. And I am not building that fast - actually my output has suffered from retirement it seems  Rolf |
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Post by popeye on Sept 28, 2009 14:20:36 GMT
. To complete the article (and to have some diversity after all those "wheeled" models  ) I am posting two more pics already shown on Britmodeller. Hopefully some more data on reference to follow later to conclude the WIP. Rolf   |
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Post by popeye on Oct 2, 2009 14:26:30 GMT
Selection of modellers reference, mainly pictorial Dornier DO 17/DO 215 By: Marek J. Murawski ISBN 978-83-61220-10-7 Publisher: Kagero Softcover A4, Polish/English text monograph with detailed coverage of the development of Do 17 E to Z and Do 215. 9 colour profiles. 3 colour 3-views. 24pp scale drawings. 157 b/w photos. 124 pages. Higly recommended reference for the Modeller of Do 17 variants.  Dornier Do 17 E - Z / Do 215 B Manfred Griehl, Publisher: AirDoc Germany, AirDoc 03 ISBN 3-935687-42-7 Paperback, size A4, German/English text, 56 pages + soft cover, 100+ b/w pictures, 4 Pages of colour profiles Picture content - differing sizes: some 17 E / F, some 17 P, some 215 B, majority 17 Z recce variants interspersed but minority (some 20%)  Dornier 17 in Focus Chris Goss, Publisher Red Kite ISBN 0-95446201-4-3, A photographic album of the Dornier 17 “Flying Pencil” in Luftwaffe service Softcover, 100pp, over 200 photos, 2 colour profiles Good pictorial reference of operational history from Do 17 E to Z with mostly good and clear photos – some duplication of known pictures but good reference for modellers.  |
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Post by reccephreak on Oct 3, 2009 0:37:40 GMT
Which of the three books has the most info on the recce variants?
Larry
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Post by popeye on Oct 3, 2009 8:58:35 GMT
Larry,
By and large best coverage is in the Kagero title,
Do 17 in Focus has slightly better picture coverage of F and P's.
Depending on what you intend to model I might be able to help with some drawings by e-mail, let me know.
Rolf
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Post by reccephreak on Oct 4, 2009 2:46:25 GMT
I didn't know if I should start a new thred, or add this request for info onto this thread, so here goes;
Does anybody have any info on the "alleged" Hs-129B-1/R5, which supposedly carried an internally mounted Rb50/30 battle reconnaissance camera?
Larry
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Post by popeye on Oct 4, 2009 10:22:03 GMT
Larry,
unfortunately drawing a complete blank - you might want to try on Brit or LEMB.
Good luck, Rolf
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Post by reccephreak on Oct 4, 2009 23:07:31 GMT
Larry, unfortunately drawing a complete blank - you might want to try on Brit or LEMB. Good luck, Rolf Just joined the LEMB, and posted the question there. Thanks. Larry Follow-up - Here is the excellent reply I got, over on the LEMB: The following has been provided by Dave Wadman, author of the three "Aufklarer" volumes published by Hikoki and Classic...
I have yet to find any mention of a camera installation for the Hs129 other than that which you mention. Considering the internal dimensions of the fuselage it would be a tight fit for an Rb 20/30, its mounting frame, film magazine and ancillary equipment - it would have been far better to use the smaller Rb 7/9.
I did discuss this with Martin Pegg (author of "Hs129 Panzerjager") on several occasions but we never did discover any official German instructions/diagrams etc. However, having said that, given that they carried out camera carrying tests with nearly every aircraft in the Luftwaffe inventory, it wouldn't surprise me if they tried with the Hs129 as well so it is within the realms of possibility although the main under fuselage weapon, magazine and mounting hardware would have to be taken out and the radios repositioned to accommodate the camera & gear. It would also play hell with the c of g limitations.
But never say never eh? Probably the best way to get a definitive answer would be to make a posting saying it never happened - Sod's Law would then come into effect and within 48 hours someone would post a photo proving they did! If I do dig up anything that confirms the Hs129 camera installation I'll let you know.
With many thanks to Dave for his expert thoughts
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Post by reccephreak on Oct 15, 2009 22:49:03 GMT
Does anybody have any good photos, or color profiles, of the Bf 109E-5 reconnaissance fighter?
Or even better yet, are there any decals available for one of those versions? I couldn't find anything with a Google search.
Larry
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Post by popeye on Oct 16, 2009 10:43:44 GMT
Larry,
propose you get in touch with Paul Senter - see page 2 this thread.
Data on recce 109 E is almost non existant and I do not now of any commercial decals on the subject.
Rolf
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Post by tango98 on Oct 23, 2009 20:39:57 GMT
Larry,
I have only ever seen one photo of an 'E-5' and that had the same type of housing under the fuselage immediately aft of the wing trailing edge as per those seen on recce 109Fs & Gs. The only 109 not fitted as such was the G-8 which carried a pair of the smaller cameras in the aft fuselage and whose apertures were covered by sliding plates.
However, all may not be lost as I am awaiting delivery of what I am told is a complete set of manual pages for the 109 E-5 from a research colleague in Germany. When they arrive, after me you'll be the first one to know ;D
Cheers
Dave
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Post by Paul Senter on Dec 17, 2009 22:23:15 GMT
ReccePhreak
I modeled a 109 E5 a little while ago. The a/c was based on a E4 with the wing guns removed. There are references to the cowling guns remaining in place.
The camera fit was quite interesting as the references I found showed that the E5 used a very similar configuration as the Gustav, ie fared window rather than simple square apertures.
The codes I used were fictitious based on a 2/H.14 aircraft in N Africa of they had one or two. There is a build thread on here somewhere - ill see if I can find it.
Paul
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Post by Paul Senter on Dec 19, 2009 21:12:41 GMT
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Post by reccephreak on Dec 20, 2009 19:48:13 GMT
Paul, Thanks for the link to your article. The camera bulge looks different than the one on the plane I intend to build:  I still have to acquire some yellow 6's and I's, for the markings. Cheers, Larry |
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) I am posting two more pics already shown on Britmodeller.
