Warfare on the Railways

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On a visit to the recent Newcastle show, I came a cross a bargain, the Trumpeter 'Baureihe 52 mit Steifrahmentender', which loosely translated is type 52 steam train with tender, or so I'm led to believe.

It's a box full of plastic containing over 700 parts, and when completed, it's approximately 3' long, for those of you working in new money ... it's big!

Now I've wanted this kit ever since it was announced, but I have no idea of the history of this beast, where or what it was used for, apart from listening to modellers stories. So, I need to learn about this leviathon, which requires web sites, books and photographs. I want to know what it pulled, where and when it was used, colour schemes, markings etc ... the list is endless.

I will build this kit eventually, but in order to do it justice, it has to be researched. So, here's the start of the thread, over you ...

[Lonewolf]

As a German speaker, I can tell you that it translates directly as "Build(Bau) Sequence(Reihe) 52 with Stiff(Steif) Frame(rahmen) Tender(tender)"

Or Mark 52 I suppose

Wolfie.

[Lonewolf]

HUH!! hang on, Newcastle show?? I have that down on the 15th July??

I haven't missed it??

[Deleted]

Well done Wolfie, cheers mate. Oh, the show was yesterday, sorry kiddo!

On a quick flick on t'internet, I found this reveiw from Dave Morrissette of IPMS/USA: www.ipmsusa.org/Reviews/Kits/Misc/Trumpeter_35_BR52/Trumpeter_35_BR52.htm

[rhino]

lonewolf said:

As a German speaker, I can tell you that it translates directly as "Build(Bau) Sequence(Reihe) 52 with Stiff(Steif) Frame(rahmen) Tender(tender)"

Or Mark 52 I suppose

Wolfie.

Or Choo Choo 52

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rhino said:

... Or Choo Choo 52

Oi, enough of that Mr Baylis ... Mr Lonewolf was kind enough to let us have the benefit of his fine edification there, and you step in with a silly remark, that's the sort of behavior I expect from blokes like 'Mr Findon', not someone of your calibre, a toom builder extraordinaire'.

So, no more 'choo choo' or 'toot toot' jokes from you lot, this is serious stuff.

;D

[rhino]

If you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined.
PS, I've got 2 S's. It's some weird truck firm that only has 1 S.

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rhino said:

If you can't take a joke you shouldn't have joined.
PS, I've got 2 S's. It's some weird truck firm that only has 1 S.

Sorry about that Ted with 2 esses, a truck firm eh? ... ever thought of changing your name?

[rhino]

[quote author=southsix1 board=rail thread=1180958743 post=1180968686Sorry about that Ted with 2 esses, a truck firm eh? ... ever thought of changing your name?

[/quote]

No mate, Superman's already been taken ;D ;D

[seb]

southsix1 said:

I want to know what it pulled, where and when it was used, colour schemes, markings etc ... the list is endless.

The BR52 is also known as one of the "Kriegslokomotiven" - for obvious reasons.
There was an enormous demand for locos to haul goods-trains at the beginning of WW II. A very much simplyfied version of the BR50 was created in 1941 and from 1942 (till 1945) about 6000 examples were built. At the end of the war some 2400 examples were still operational, mainly in the Soviet Zone.
Quite a few examples are still operational today as museum-trains and a few non operationals are to be seen in museums (e.g. Speyer )

de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Locomotive_BR52-8080-5.jpg
de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bild:Austria_521198_selzthal.jpg

[Lonewolf]

Hey Seb those links are taking me to the entry for 'Bild' in Wikipedia Deutschland

EDIT: Try HERE and HERE

[Feanor]

southsix1 said:

rhino said:

... Or Choo Choo 52

So, no more 'choo choo' or 'toot toot' jokes from you lot, this is serious stuff.

;D

Ayup...

So Nick, It's 'don't mess with my toot toot' Eh?

Not like you to get 'serious' (tee hee) ...

[Fatty]

southsix1 said:

rhino said:

... Or Choo Choo 52

...... that's the sort of behavior I expect from blokes like 'Mr Findon'

Eehh what? I wasnt going to say anything of the sort....

Im looking forward to seeing this built up.

Knowing how much you have wanted one of these and seeing the "gimmi gimmi" look when I said I had found one at the show. I wouldnt dream of any sort of "tooot tooot" comment.

......although I think it should utelise that flickering Led in the fire box and illumination of the front lamp and side markers....










Mmmmmmm im struggling, I carnt keep it inside any longer....

....... [shadow=red,left,300]Tooot TooooT!"[/shadow]

ahhhhh thats better.....

sorry ;D





;D ;D ;D

[John Tapsell]

Nick,

There's a real one at the rail museum at Bressingham (over Norfolk way).

It's an ex-Norwegian loco called 'Peer Gynt' I believe.

Built in '43 - shipped to Norway by the Germans and left there at the end of the war. Taken over by Norwegian state railways and then re-furbished by NATO and stored in a rail tunnel for possible war-use until 1974. Then sold and arrived at Bressingham.

Cheers,
John

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OK ... Ted (with 2 esses) and young Mr Feanor, it was a light hearted reply, honest. Now then Mr Findon ya little tyke! ... nice one, and thanks for noticing that loco, it was a good find, well done.

Thanks Seb and John and Chris for the info, hopefully this thread will be the starting point for a group build at a later date, and at least an article for the magazine (but give me time John), I think I'm going to need it. I've wanted to build this locomotive for so long, however, I want to get the detail correct.

So, if anyone has bought this loco and is considering building it, and would like to pool resources, let's get together on this thread.